8. Happy birthday, First You Talk!

First You Talk turns one, and Laurie and Nicole from Central Florida Foundation take a walk down memory lane. How and why did the podcast come to fruition and where is it going? What were the other names and approaches considered?

Sit down with Team CFF for a half hour of exploring the power of conversation - and all the laughs we had along the way.

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00:00:05 Laurie Crocker

Welcome to.

00:00:05 Laurie Crocker

Central Florida foundation’s First You Talk podcast. Here, you'll gain a better understanding of society's toughest issues. At the end of each episode, we'll summarize the main points and offer deeper dive options if something piques your interest.

00:00:20 Laurie Crocker

So ready to demystify a complex issue and up your knowledge game. Let's get started.

00:00:29 Laurie Crocker

Hello, Nicole.

00:00:30 Nicole Donelson

Hey, Laurie. 
 
 00:00:32 Laurie Crocker

We're coming to you for a special episode of First You Talk. This isn't our typical episode because the podcast is a year old. Congratulations.

00:00:43 Laurie Crocker

First You Talk, you're a year old! October 6th was when we published the first episode in 2023, and what a year it's been.

00:00:51 Nicole Donelson

Yeah. Happy birthday has been a long time coming.

00:00:56 Laurie Crocker

It's yes. And here we are. So I thought we'd take today to go back to the beginning. Well, before I came on the scene and talk about why we – Why the idea even came about. And then how it became what it is.

00:01:11 Laurie Crocker

Today.

00:01:12 Nicole Donelson

Absolutely. Yeah. So I feel like this goes back even.

00:01:17 Nicole Donelson

Before I started at the Foundation, but I remember when I first started about six years ago, we were almost kind of just tossing around the idea of we should have a podcast. And of course, podcasts were starting to get more and more popular.

00:01:32 Nicole Donelson

And Mark Brewer, who people have heard from on our past episodes.

00:01:38 Laurie Crocker

Has a great radio voice.

00:01:40 Nicole Donelson

Excellent radio voice and people love to listen to him, and many may not know that he has a history working in the space of journalism. Has done radio broadcasting.

00:01:54 Nicole Donelson

And just has a lot of great insights to share and can't always be in every single place, but as a whole too, the community foundation is kind of sitting at the center of a lot of really critical conversations around things happening in the community. And so we had said we really need to.

00:02:15 Nicole Donelson

podcast. We really need to capture a way to share some of these conversations and what's happening.

00:02:20 Nicole Donelson

Around.

00:02:21 Nicole Donelson

Some of the critical issues happening and how to kind of be educating more masses around some of these complex issues and just you know, having more conversation around philanthropy.

00:02:37 Laurie Crocker

And then having Mark's voice live forever via podcast.

00:02:41 Laurie Crocker

Yes. So I came on the scene in the summer of 2022 and at that time when I was hired.

00:02:49 Laurie Crocker

I was told we have this idea of a podcast, but we really haven't done anything with it. We have a concept paper which was really like a word doc with a few things written down and at the time it didn't seem pressing. And I also said I've never produced or made or done other than listen to a podcast. That's it and.

00:03:09 Laurie Crocker

And you guys were accepting of that? Yeah.

00:03:09 Nicole Donelson 
 Yeah

00:03:12 Laurie Crocker

And then six months went by and I was like, oh, this doesn't even seem to be on there.
 
 

00:03:16 Nicole Donelson

I think, and I think I think we were going to call it the Community couch.

00:03:20 Laurie Crocker

The community couch, which which made sense because originally the podcast was going to be more of a conversation. Just a conversation like we're having right now with people doing cool stuff in the community. So let's sit on the couch and let's have a conversation, yeah.

00:03:36 Nicole Donelson

And I don't know if everyone remembers this thing the pandemic.

00:03:38 Laurie Crocker

Didn't know where you were going.
 
 00:03:42 Nicole Donelson

That hit in 2020, but that started our webinar series of community conversations and those were really well received. You know people wanted an update to understand kind of how is this affecting different facets of the community.

00:04:02 Nicole Donelson

And kind of naturally wanted to figure out how can we evolve this. And we've been talking about a podcast. There's got to be some room to take our community conversations to what we thought might be the community couch where we are inviting people to sit down.

00:04:17 Laurie Crocker

That's true.

00:04:19 Laurie Crocker

And talk with us, that's true.

00:04:21 Laurie Crocker

And and so we got to the point where we were looking at different.

00:04:26 Laurie Crocker

Approaches to a podcast, never mind the equipment. We weren't even there. We were just thinking what we what we were going to talk about. And so one of the concepts was just having people that are doing cool things sit down and tell their story.

00:04:39 Laurie Crocker

I so at this time too I started just Googling different names to see what would populate.

00:04:46 Laurie Crocker

There are a lot of coaches that are community coaches. Apparently a lot of community minded coaches and so I also was a little worried that that, that that name was a little bit too.

00:05:01 Laurie Crocker

I.

00:05:01Nicole Donelson

Generic generic? Maybe it's a?

00:05:04 Laurie Crocker

Comma, we also didn't have a couch, which I felt like was crucial. That's true. Yeah. So. So then we started thinking. So one thing when I came on the scene and again, I had no idea how to create a a podcast. But I am resourceful. And I knew that I would figure it out. However, I didn't know what I was doing in the very beginning.

00:05:25 Laurie Crocker

And they knew that it was very upfront. And so when we started thinking about concept wise.

00:05:30 Laurie Crocker

Because there are a lot of podcasts out there, there's a lot of vying for your your attention, right? And I didn't want our podcast to just be another.

00:05:41 Laurie Crocker

Thing I wanted it to be unique. I wanted it to be something that's not just adding to the noise, not to say that podcasts out there are noise, but there's a lot of them out there. And why would I put something out there that's duplicating something already? And so a lot of organizations in Central Florida and across the state and country.

00:06:01 Laurie Crocker

And world have podcasts that share people's stories.

00:06:05 Laurie Crocker

And I felt like that was duplicative, and so we then went into a very awkward stage where I almost called it the Community Investor podcast, which go figure, that gave a lot of people financial vibes, and that wasn't what I wanted. And the reason was because.

00:06:21 Nicole Donelson

Yes.

00:06:25 Laurie Crocker

Our CEO, President, CEO, Mark talks about community investor and I stand behind that or beside that because community investors are more than donors, they learn about things. They're proactive about their giving and they invest into the community and the ROI goes back to the community, right.

00:06:43 Laurie Crocker

But I don't think that matters when it comes to a title.

00:06:46 Laurie Crocker

I've.

00:06:46 Laurie Crocker

Learned I shared that title with many people.

00:06:46 Nicole Donelson

Yeah.

00:06:49 Nicole Donelson

I think I think we would have had many people on the finance side and they would have been a little confused.

00:06:56 Laurie Crocker

As to what they got as a result of clicking on our podcast, so I realized my wrong. And then.

00:07:03 Laurie Crocker

There was also a time point in time when the Community Investor podcast concept was also going to be like.

00:07:10 Laurie Crocker

What's a donor advised fund? Listen to this 15 minute tidbit.

00:07:14 Nicole Donelson

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe our audience can let us know if that's a real hot and burning topic. Yeah.

00:07:20 Laurie Crocker

We can still do that. We can still do that, but we wanted to go deeper and we wanted to be different.

00:07:28 Laurie Crocker

Less boring. Yeah, not that we don't love donor advised funds. We love them here, but we wanted to be more innovative because while there is a space for saying what something is, such as what we do. Donor advised fund, endowment, whatever. And I think there's still space for that. Sort of.

00:07:33 Nicole Donelson

Yeah, yeah.

00:07:46 Laurie Crocker

Content because it's import.

00:07:49 Laurie Crocker

I don't think that was quite still what I wanted to achieve.

00:07:54 Nicole Donelson

Yes. And you, Laurie, are really good at making sure that you don't put something forward until you really feel good about your concept. And so and that becomes really challenging. So anyways, I came up with the concept of.

00:08:13 Laurie Crocker

What you now hear, which is that narrative like here is here, or multiple viewpoints. One thing that we talk about the foundation often is cross sector. So we're talking about public, private and independent sector. And so I thought it was really important for kind of our mission and what we believe in at the Foundation to reflect what our podcast was as a whole.

00:08:33 Laurie Crocker

So I started thinking, OK, we need to have someone from the independent sector. That's nonprofits. We need someone from the public sector. Mayor Buddy Dyer was like, yes, I'll be there the first episode, I mean.

00:08:44 Laurie Crocker

Should have quit them, but I didn't. And then uh, uh, private sector. So we're talking about private business owners, which I think we did achieve with certain guests such as Eddie Moratin who comes from that private sector background now with Lift Orlando. But I thought he gave a great business perspective. And so I wanted the podcast.

00:09:04 Laurie Crocker

To also break down some barriers.

00:09:07 Laurie Crocker

Well, when I got hired at the Foundation, the amount of acronyms I was hit in the face with and I love.

00:09:13 Laurie Crocker

The Foundation.

00:09:14 Laurie Crocker

There are a lot there. There's sector.

00:09:17 Laurie Crocker

Yeah, I think I gave you a page or multiple pages with them printed on it. A CHEAT SHEET. You know, it's still on my computer. And you better believe I referenced it many times, probably needs to be updated for new hires.

00:09:31 Laurie Crocker

But.

00:09:32 Laurie Crocker

When I got hired, I was not part of the nonprofit sector. So when I got hired, I was entering in a whole new world. But the problem is, is that our audience, not everyone's going to be a part of our sector. Not everyone's going to be part a part of our world, and we don't want that to stop people from investing in our community. So it was really important to me that we also took.

00:09:53 Laurie Crocker

On the not burden, but the task of making it accessible to people who did not know.

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00:00:00 Laurie Crocker

The the Ins and outs. They weren't in the weeds like we are, and that's OK because we don't need everyone in the weeds, but we do want to make sure we're communicating in a way that the average person.

00:00:12 Laurie Crocker

You know who, who does whatever job and lives wherever can understand what we're talking about. And since I had no idea what I was talking about just two short years ago, I thought I was the person to lead the way of. OK, so you know, Mark just mentioned that. Let's break down what that means and how it connects to something else.

00:00:33 Laurie Crocker

Which we've kind of continued on that way.

00:00:40 Nicole Donelson

Absolutely. And I I think in that process to the foundation was doing table talk, which started in 2019, but was about having conversations around the table where you don't necessarily always have people connecting. And so I think some of that.

00:00:59 Nicole Donelson

Has kind of influenced and become a part of the podcast kind of concept and flow where you bring different voices that have something to offer around the table. So that I mean ultimately we want somebody to feel.

00:01:18 Nicole Donelson

Like they can maybe see something in front of them. Let's take homelessness. Right. You've covered that now a couple times and you know you you drive downtown. It's very visible and they're maybe asking themselves about it, but it doesn't maybe come up in everyday conversation or the people that they're talking to.

00:01:38 Nicole Donelson

May not, you know, may not exactly know what's behind it and so it's an easy place to go and understand.

00:01:44 Laurie Crocker

Yeah, and and I think that what drove me to choose that topic first was because.

00:01:52 Laurie Crocker

That.

00:01:53 Laurie Crocker

It was a very heated topic. A lot of people were just frustrated and angry. It was like a very touchy subject for a lot of people, especially people who interact with downtown Orlando because, like you said it it it was and and is visible. And so taking a step back away from anger and blame and going well, first of all.

00:02:13 Laurie Crocker

This is complicated, so let's take a look at this from different angles, and once I started to learn that homelessness actually.

00:02:21 Laurie Crocker

It's it's so complex, but you know people who are experiencing that fall into different buckets of different populations and reasons for why they're there. And there are different ways to handle each one. And here's the approaches that we've taken. And here's the history. It diffuses the situation so that you're not just angry anymore. You're like, oh, this is deep.

00:02:41 Laurie Crocker

This is complicated and we can now use our thinking brains to go OK now, with all of this context, how do we move forward?

00:02:52 Laurie Crocker

And a lot of people say, well, why can't you just do this? And why can't you just do that once you see the complexity of it all, you suddenly have a lot more empathy for the people trying to solve it and and the people in it.

00:03:02

Hmm.

00:03:05 Laurie Crocker

So another facet of the podcast is that we try to engage with people on the other end experiencing the problem, and so we made sure that we talked to.

00:03:17 Laurie Crocker

A few people with homelessness we talked to different individuals going through that. We were able to touch base with one of those individuals, Kathy on Episode 7 and here where she was and I just think it's so important to hear the first hand experience as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we ended up.

00:03:37 Laurie Crocker

Developing this concept in the summer of 2023.

00:03:41 Laurie Crocker

Nicole had listened to you, had listened to a zillion cuts of the the first episodes, and I had to go through.

00:03:53 Laurie Crocker

A bunch of music that was a big choice, hard process and man to nail down the musical vibe of our foundation. Not an easy task. Yeah, and I didn't ask any. I think I might have sent it once to you. And and Neil, a couple other people.

00:04:13 Laurie Crocker

The team and I said what are what are you? I don't know. And I think I got the thumbs up from Neil and I was like, good, that's all we're going to go with it now. I will say my husband listens to the podcast at 1.2 or 1.5 speed.

00:04:27 Laurie Crocker

It's stressful to listen to that music at 1.2 or one point.

00:04:30 Nicole Donelson

Five. So well, sorry if we make a music change in the future. We'll, you know, Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:04:34 Laurie Crocker

Consider the BPM. Yeah. See how it feels at different levels, but that was decided. Ohh. And then of course the name we talked about all the other names. So.

00:04:38 Nicole Donelson

The important.

00:04:47 Nicole Donelson

How did we get from community couch to First You Talk.

00:04:50 Laurie Crocker

To and then community Couch to community community investors. Because I was misguided and we were going to end up on wall street.

00:05:00 Laurie Crocker

Course corrected and we ended up with first. You talked so at the time TableTalk was happening and we were kind of trying to launch the podcast with TableTalk because I thought the two naturally went together, conversation conversation and.

00:05:17 Laurie Crocker

I had made an Instagram account for our TableTalk  because I kind of wanted to concentrate any social media efforts there and I was table talk was already taken and I was trying to come up with different like catch phrases from TableTalk in one of our documents that we share for TableTalk said First You Talk.

00:05:38 Laurie Crocker

Then we.

00:05:38 Laurie Crocker

Then that's like first you talk is it used click, click, clack, clack. No. Perfect. Done. And so I made an account based on that and then when table talk ended in 2023 because at that time it was just a one day event I was like.

00:05:57

Weights.

00:05:59 Laurie Crocker

Marketing.

00:06:00 Laurie Crocker

Yes, I am. What if we just change this over to the podcast and I was like, yes, First You Talk. Now one thing that I do like about the name is that what does it mean? You could totally define it in a few different ways. I've never verbally argued for this title, but I think I think in my head.

00:06:18 Nicole Donelson

OK.

00:06:20 Laurie Crocker

Makes sense, because before you solve anything.

00:06:24 Laurie Crocker

You got to talk. You you have to have productive conversation. Yeah, it also helped that it was an untaken Instagram with listening. Right. With listening. Yeah. Yeah.

00:06:24 Nicole Donelson

Have to talk.

00:06:36 Laurie Crocker

We ended up with first you talk now I think that some people were like, hmm.

00:06:42 Laurie Crocker

Because that's a weird name like. You could say it many ways. First, you talk. First you talk. I don't know. So I had to 1st work out how this was going to be pronounced and what emphasis was on what word and all of that good stuff. But really has no meaning. So it it was beautiful because then we could give.

00:07:01 Laurie Crocker

To it. I love that.

00:07:03 Laurie Crocker

Yeah. So I was talking to Dean Caravelis many, many months ago and I don't even remember it was for rally for something. Dean Caravelis is one of the rally makers for our Rally Social enterprise Accelerator and his companyy’s name is BleZoo. And he said I chose that because it had almost no meaning.

00:07:24 Laurie Crocker

It was, it was 2 words that he put together to make a brand-new word, and he was like, it was great cause I could make it mean whatever.

00:07:32 Nicole Donelson

That's so smart.

00:07:33 Laurie Crocker

Really great advice, really great advice, and so while our word, our name is not quite as unique as BleZoo, you can make first you talk mean anything. So. So yeah, I do. I also believe that first you you do have to talk. So it all works out in the end. You ended up with FYT.

00:07:51 Nicole Donelson

FYT. New acronym is born.

00:07:53 Laurie Crocker

And acronym that I need to add to the list.

00:07:58 Laurie Crocker

So we ended up so right now actually we're sitting in the Winter Park library, what a great community resource we were able to get a library card and then use their podcast studio, which has great equipment in it. It's very low cost. And so I've talked to different nonprofits who are like, I want to start a podcast.

00:08:19 Laurie Crocker

Look around your.

00:08:20 Laurie Crocker

You know, at the end of the day we are a non profit. We are looking for ways to utilize our community partners to achieve our collective goals and this was a great resource.

00:08:33 Laurie Crocker

And so we've done a lot of recording there. I cannot recreate the sound anywhere. I've tried it and I was in my closet the other day. I'm trying to create that.

00:08:44 Nicole Donelson

It's just not the same.

00:08:44 Laurie Crocker

Using.

00:08:45 Laurie Crocker

Sound so.

00:08:46 Nicole Donelson

Why do you why do you choose? Besides the awesome studio and great equipment and microphones? But why do you like to bring in your guests in person when you can for those interviews?

00:09:00 Laurie Crocker

I like to look at people I do, so we've done some interviews via zoom, which is fine, and if you have to do it that way, how great is it that we have?

00:09:11 Laurie Crocker

You know, technology that can connect us in that way. But I mean, you can't beat the sound quality that is part of it. But also talking to somebody and looking at them, as I'm doing with you right now is just how conversations should happen.

00:09:28 Laurie Crocker

And I'll tell you, I I've.

00:09:32 Laurie Crocker

I've been on the fence with the style of which or or or how I I go about interviewing people and talking to them because I always felt like my my voice had to be taken out of it.

00:09:44 Laurie Crocker

And I also didn't like how I sounded on on, you know, a podcast so or or anything. And so I kept trying to take my voice out of it, but then it was.

00:09:51 Laurie Crocker

Really.

00:09:52 Laurie Crocker

Starting to and this is real time stuff that I'm thinking about. It started to alter the flow of the the conversation and.

00:00:00 Laurie Crocker

You know, I really want to to dive a little bit more like lean into more of the the conversations. So that's something that you know First You Talk maybe in the future we'll incorporate more of these types of of interviews where it's just not that I'm interviewing you right now, but these more one-on-one conversations.

00:00:20 Nicole Donelson

Yeah, there are so many amazing people that are here.But I agree. I just think it makes such a big difference to be able to sit down in person and and that's how a lot of you know, conversations are happening to around.

00:00:32 Laurie Crocker

Just bringing people together that think differently. Yeah, right. Yeah. And so to touch on that point once more, it's just really important not just to me and this podcast, but as a Foundation. Central Florida Foundation really believes in. And I'll quote, Sandi Vidal are amazing VP of Community Strategies and initiatives.

00:00:53 Laurie Crocker

We want everyone to play in the same sandbox because if we're not doing that, we're not getting anywhere so we can maybe disagree on some things, but we can agree that we want our community to.

00:01:04 Laurie Crocker

To improve in some spaces and get better and the best way to do that is for everyone to get into the same room and talk about it. So when we do a podcast episode, not that I can recreate a sandbox with a bunch of people there, but we can make sure that people's different viewpoints are being heard and making sure that we're solutions.

00:01:24 Laurie Crocker

Based making sure that we are trying to explore different ideas and have really good conversation that way. 
 
 

Nicole Donelson
 Yeah. What do you what do you kind of envision next for the podcast? Like, what would you want to see if you could have it all?

00:01:43 Laurie Crocker

We're going to build our own recording studio to have on. I'm kidding.

00:01:50 Laurie Crocker

I would like to really have an anthology of different issues, right so that someone who's interested in learning more about a really tricky topic can just go to our library and go hey. I just want a 30-45 minute overview to.

00:02:09 Laurie Crocker

Get kind of my ducks in a row with how I'm thinking about this. You know, I think about, like I look at, follow me for a second. OK. OK. I look at like, a large building, a skyscraper maybe a beautiful house. OK. And I'm like, I have no idea how that was made. I know that there are.

00:02:28 Laurie Crocker

Maybe what? I don't know. Maybe there's cinder blocks. I know there are probably a few nails I know there are shingles on the roof, like I know the general shape and I could draw it if I needed to, but I have no idea how that was made.

00:02:39 Laurie Crocker

Same thing on the flip side, for something like our housing crisis, right, I have, I have. Well, now I do, but I had no idea why we were in the pickle that our community was in. I didn't understand it. I don't know how we got there. I didn't know how it began and I didn't understand all the different pieces that somebody in the public sector.

00:02:59 Laurie Crocker

What the the independent sector had to consider like, I don't know what an architect or an engineer or a construction worker has to consider in order to make this complicated thing.

00:03:11 Laurie Crocker

And I don't. I didn't know what a legislator or a mayor or a nonprofit leader had to consider when they were trying to solve homelessness or solve the housing crisis. So I think that if I could, if if Central Florida foundation’s first, you First You Talk podcast could provide.

00:03:31 Laurie Crocker

A one click listen that I'm interested in this and all of a sudden it starts to melt all the the the fog and the ice starts. Oh, OK and have this aha moment of, OK.

00:03:45 Laurie Crocker

We don't have an answer. We haven't solved it, but that's OK now it's not this big giant mystery anymore. And now I feel more empowered to move forward and now be a part of the solution. So I I think that I don't know. Did that analogy work? Because that's how.

00:03:56 Nicole Donelson

Mm-hmm.

00:04:01 Nicole Donelson

Yeah, I think that's really great. Yeah. Maybe you should start listening to podcasts on building and engineering and construction.

00:04:04 Laurie Crocker

So.

00:04:09 Laurie Crocker

That's Part 2. That's Part 2 of First You Talk first. But yeah, just to have an anthology of all the different topics and then something that we're talking about is having a few. So so I'm going to throw this out there.

00:04:10 Nicole Donelson

Yeah.

00:04:21 Laurie Crocker

Yeah, I'm going to throw this out there and call them banner episodes. The episodes break down these big topics, right? Like like Episode 1, Episode 7. They talk about homelessness and all the issues within it, but then to have these more one off, one-on-one conversations that allow you to just kind of like sit back and listen to a real conversation would be.

00:04:23 Nicole Donelson

Uh oh.

00:04:42 Laurie Crocker

Would be nice. Ultimately, I hope that we aren't noise. I hope that we are adding value to the Community, not just Central Florida, because a lot of these problems go past Central Florida, but especially for Central Florida, to be a community.

00:05:00 Laurie Crocker

That understands, has empathy wants to understand rather than blame is really important. Don't know. Is that too big of a goal?

00:05:08 Nicole Donelson

No, I love it and I think you know, I was, we were recently contacted by a national company that's going to have a conference here in town in Orlando.

00:05:20 Nicole Donelson

And you know.

00:05:21 Nicole Donelson

Everybody knows there's Orlando, our touristy area and where the Convention Center is, and really, you know, people come in and partake in all of that and it's great, but they they don't necessarily see much of anything or the other, you know, parts of Orlando or where all of those people who are working may go and live.

00:05:42 Nicole Donelson

And they wanted to make sure that as they bring all these people in for a conference, they want to find a way to give back and support the community that they're visiting in a more meaningful way.

00:05:54 Nicole Donelson

And so they reached out to the Community Foundation because they found them to be great partners in other cities that they've gone to. And what was awesome is that, I mean, obviously I was able to have a conversation with them and give them some highlights of what are some of the things that are happening here. But I said, you know, I have, we have an episode that we recently put out.

00:06:16 Nicole Donelson

On some of the the issues that are happening around homelessness, including upcoming legislation, and they weren't aware of it. And so I'm going to send them the episode. So it's just a great resource for people who.

00:06:30 Nicole Donelson

I think are coming into our town. Maybe they're moving here, visiting here, and want to understand, you know, where can I? Where can I dive in? How can I better get familiar with our community?

00:06:46 Laurie Crocker

That's good to hear that people. And by the way, we're the community.

00:06:49 Laurie Crocker

Foundation we are the Community Foundation, so really quickly I also wanted to mention that.

00:06:57 Laurie Crocker

The goal is never to sway you one way or another. It's really to educate and to come at it in a fair middle of the line middle of the road way and let you make your informed decisions. It's more about giving you perspective.

00:07:17 Laurie Crocker

Rather than telling you how to believe about what, what to believe about something, so that's also and I I think that's through and through with with the Foundation, we just want to inform you and support you and help guide you. But never tell you what to believe or.

00:07:31 Nicole Donelson

What to think? Yeah.

00:07:32 Laurie Crocker

Yeah, OK. Well, that was it. And happy birthday, First You Talk happy birthday and one year or two, man, we're heading into the.

00:07:43 Nicole Donelson

The toddler stage where they're it's going to be interesting. Buckle up, I say this. You know, we're both parents. We know what that that after post 1-2

00:07:44 Laurie Crocker

The toddler year is it's going to get wild.

00:07:55 Laurie Crocker

What a terrible way to end the conversation.

00:07:57 Laurie Crocker

Oh, but it's. Yes, it's exciting. So cute.

00:07:59 Nicole Donelson

It's all so exciting. Yeah. And it's going to be so cute.

00:08:03 Laurie Crocker

Happy birthday, First You Talk.

00:08:07 Mark Brewer

Thank you for listening to the podcast First You Talk. As an engaged listener of this show, we encourage you to check out our podcast website at cffound.org/podcast to learn more about the complex issue. There you'll find more context to the voices that you've heard.

00:08:27 Mark Brewer

Today, links to any supporting materials mentioned during the episode and resources to help you explore additional perspectives to draw a fuller picture of the issue at hand through curiosity and collaboration, we can all make our community an even better place to call home.